cuz i have em. dirty. disjointed. days of conversation on end with the most random breaks. but they exist. comments will decide whether or not they get posted.
The logs should certainly be released, and if necessary anonymized - although I would expect users on a Paranoid Linux server to already have rather anonymous aliases.
There's normally someone else keeping logs. You might as well keep them just to remind people to only say the things they wouldn't mind having in logs.
I think the logs should be released, as I only heard about this project from BoingBoing, and I was really interested so I want to know everything I can about this now! So it would benefit all the newcomers like me, who weren't here from the start. Also, I think you should always keep logs, just warn people that you are doing so, in the greeting message or something
Not nearly enough votes or comments to make a decision. But I'm going to continue to log, and look at this thread for decisions. i have a long weekend, by sunday night, I should be able to go ahead and poll the channel to see what THEY would prefer.
Put the public disclaimer in the topic, and then let us post up the logs.
This is a dev channel, it is very much for learning, hashing out ideas, and the occasional craziness. Posting the logs gives us a record of what happened so that we can go back and document up the gems that have fallen from our fingers as well as to point folks to the whys and wherefores of ideas should they come up with regularity.
Only if the logs are to keep people up to date on the current state of the project, the site doesn't seem to get updated much and leaves me thinking it died already.
It's good practice to notify people (with PMs from a logbot or in the topic, for example) if you're going to be pasting public logs. Generally the assumption is that IRC chats are public unless it's a private room, and it would not be a trust disaster to post them, but I would just get a vocal logbot and post logs starting now instead of posting past logs.
I think the idea of posting logs is very smart. Google + IRC logs are invaluable tools
for gaining information - in irc topics are discussed in various wordings and people
are helped with popular or obscure problems. I think occasionally a person will
forget that he is on a public channel and say something private, which shouldn't be
logged - I participate in #maemo (n800 development) and only found out it was
logged when I turned up in a google search .. however, in the title, is a link to where
the logs are.
If you are discussing development and planning for the system, the "offensive"
could already have an idle-bot logging, so posting it to the web might not divulge
too much information .. but if the system is as secure as it can get (what, with us
being humans and all) you should have confidence that all that can be done is
being done.
Comments
YES!
The logs should certainly be released, and if necessary anonymized - although I would expect users on a Paranoid Linux server to already have rather anonymous aliases.
Logs should be automatically
Logs should be automatically deleted in ParanoidLinux
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Pirate proposal
That seems like something this team should look into...
http://www.tfr.org/wiki/index.php?title=Technical_Proposal_(IPETEE)
Not keeping logs is dangerous
There's normally someone else keeping logs. You might as well keep them just to remind people to only say the things they wouldn't mind having in logs.
Benifit to newcomers
I think the logs should be released, as I only heard about this project from BoingBoing, and I was really interested so I want to know everything I can about this now! So it would benefit all the newcomers like me, who weren't here from the start. Also, I think you should always keep logs, just warn people that you are doing so, in the greeting message or something
Agreed
Agreed.
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Ok.
Not nearly enough votes or comments to make a decision. But I'm going to continue to log, and look at this thread for decisions. i have a long weekend, by sunday night, I should be able to go ahead and poll the channel to see what THEY would prefer.
Put the public disclaimer in
Put the public disclaimer in the topic, and then let us post up the logs.
This is a dev channel, it is very much for learning, hashing out ideas, and the occasional craziness. Posting the logs gives us a record of what happened so that we can go back and document up the gems that have fallen from our fingers as well as to point folks to the whys and wherefores of ideas should they come up with regularity.
Only if the logs are to keep
Only if the logs are to keep people up to date on the current state of the project, the site doesn't seem to get updated much and leaves me thinking it died already.
But please do put a vocal logbot in the room.
I vote no
It's good practice to notify people (with PMs from a logbot or in the topic, for example) if you're going to be pasting public logs. Generally the assumption is that IRC chats are public unless it's a private room, and it would not be a trust disaster to post them, but I would just get a vocal logbot and post logs starting now instead of posting past logs.
Yes please!
I for one would be interested
Its all good information
I think the idea of posting logs is very smart. Google + IRC logs are invaluable tools
for gaining information - in irc topics are discussed in various wordings and people
are helped with popular or obscure problems. I think occasionally a person will
forget that he is on a public channel and say something private, which shouldn't be
logged - I participate in #maemo (n800 development) and only found out it was
logged when I turned up in a google search .. however, in the title, is a link to where
the logs are.
If you are discussing development and planning for the system, the "offensive"
could already have an idle-bot logging, so posting it to the web might not divulge
too much information .. but if the system is as secure as it can get (what, with us
being humans and all) you should have confidence that all that can be done is
being done.